A matter of Opinion

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And perhaps against the principle of what this site is about but I often cannot get to the site even once a day and miss out on seeing some good pictures. Yes I know I could wade through as “history” is available and often I do that but here is the thought.
Some sites allow each member to only add 2 or 3 pics per day. Due to the traffic on ISpy would that not be a sensible move here also.
Open to debate.

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19 Apr, 2011
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johnponting said:

Interesting subject mike.

The upload screen has 3 slots for file names and generally that works for me. Sometimes I only have 1 picture. Recently I had a series of 11 pictures of Chaffinches so I blog'd them rather than post direct as I had already posted a couple of the same bird.

A day trip out can soon create 100 or more image files. Ruthless pruning might get that down to 20 of which 10 might be suitable for publishing. Which ones to keep back?

As it says at the bottom of the screen:

I spy a bird is a community for bird lovers.
Track the birds you've spotted, share your photos, and make like-minded friends.

19 Apr, 2011
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mike said:

Your volumes work for me too John. I recently had a stroll in a local park 157 pics. 29 retainers. I published 4 or 5 on the site and that was over 2 or 3 days, I did not want to flood it and push other pics back. I like your blog idea and have just done a small one on some macro shots. There are quite a few more of them too but I think the few will suffice. I could have left a note on the main site advising that anyone interested could see more on the blog - in fact I will go back and do that.
I also feel "guilty" when I put pics other than birds and I am not truly sure if I should only be putting native or garden birds. As you know I tend to put all sorts.

19 Apr, 2011
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robashfield said:

It might work Mike,but some members don't take 2/3 pics a day...myself ,personally,put pics on mainly at weekends as working in the week restricts my bird activities.This week is an exception as i am on holiday,and have planned many birding trips out,hopefully to post some very nice photos.
I think a maximum of say,20 pics per week,might be a better alternative,if this is what members want.I personally don't mind it as it is.I know you can miss some gems,but thats the way it goes sometimes.

19 Apr, 2011
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mike said:

You are of course right Rob and in my mind there is no fool proof answer. I tend to "feed" the machine most days from pics taken on just one trip so eventually I put the 20 odd pics on anyway. What brought it to mind was Muddy put a close up on yesterday and I only picked it up "by accident" it was so far back. John's idea of blog is good and I personally will use that in future and in fact will probably upload more pics that way. Just noticed you are also doing the same and what an interesting way of doing it.
This blog is not to offend - just to question - I hope everyone takes it that way.

20 Apr, 2011
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A contraversial subject indeed and I do agree Mike, My opinion is that too often multiple photos of the same bird are uploaded, clearly taken seconds apart, for example, one looking one way, one looking another way, one with the beak open etc etc....... If I get these, I simply select what I thik is the best ONE and put that up. I too have nearly missed a few that have been pushed off the first page. Just my opinion.... Blog is a good way as mentioned

20 Apr, 2011
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johnponting said:

OK I'm back after less than 3 hours in bed - mikes thought provoking question kept me awake - with another idea.

If there are multiple similar shots that tell a story then either blog as already suggested or/and open a fresh flickr folder ("my set of similar birds") and upload them in hires to there, put the best shot on isab with a link in the description. ISAB gets a good record shot and everybody gets the chance to see it in all its glory.

blog -v- flickr? A blog gives others a chance to comment on the birds, the location or the picture and the poster can add words or expanded descriptions.

Of course, 10 shots of different birds probably deserve to be posted directly but maybe spread over a couple of days.

20 Apr, 2011
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littlewren said:

I suppose I am lucky that with having the time I will go through all the photos...though as you say miss one day and there are lots pf new ones....I have found the like button so will use that for some photos while commenting on others....As John said,a blog is a better way of showing off multiple shots of birds,places visited,etc ... either way....keep them coming as I love to see the communities photos be it birds,animals or whatever.
My humble opinion.....

20 Apr, 2011
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littlewren said:

I suppose I am lucky that with having the time I will go through all the photos...though as you say miss one day and there are lots pf new ones....I have found the like button so will use that for some photos while commenting on others....As John said,a blog is a better way of showing off multiple shots of birds,places visited,etc ... either way....keep them coming as I love to see the communities photos be it birds,animals or whatever.
My humble opinion.....

20 Apr, 2011
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aster said:

I tend to go back to the last photo I put a like on,then view to the more recent ones.If I haven't much time it is sometimes a bit daunting but I don't want to miss any :)
If you have lots of decent photo's and can't decide which to put on,put them in a blog. This works especially well if you entitle your blog with the name of the place you visited. Other members will be then be able to look back if looking for a good place to visit. There is actually a section on the birdpedia for 'Birding days out' but nothing has been added since Oct '10 so maybe we are not nominating enough blogs for this category.
I look at blogs,questions and photo's so wouldn't miss any that are put in a blog. Photo's of new birds are needed in the photo section so that they can be added to the birdpedia for reference
I think that when ISAB started any and every photo was needed it wasn't such a problem.
You could contact Peter and Ajay,they always like to hear any thoughts or suggestions :)
Just another thought,if we only added British garden birds the site would have been full long ago. The fact that a wildlife section has been added would suggest that it is perfectly ok to add any bird seen whilst out with your camera !
Sorry if I've waffled on a bit :))

20 Apr, 2011
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robashfield said:

Thanks aster,I didn't know there was a "birding day out" section.I will look at it now and blog my day trips on there.
I try to use the blog for more than bird pics,this is a good way of letting members know about other sites to visit.
Either way,I am not fussed which way the site goes,it is the best one on internet.I have used flickr,but I found that it is a bit "clicky" If you know someone they will comment.if you don't no one comments.
Personal experience!!

20 Apr, 2011
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johnponting said:

Rob I think you're right about flickr, I use it as a storage location and open links to family & friends I know e.g. in my profile on a forum, could do the same for ISAB. I'm not looking for comments from people I've never heard of.

ISAB, and it's members, are totally responsible for my increased interest in birds, bird photography and the countryside in general. Probably also responsible (but less directly) in my spending an indecent amount of new Nikon bodies and lenses. I hope the site continues to grow and remains the best on the worldwideinterthingie.

20 Apr, 2011
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aster said:

Rob ,you get to the 'birding day out' section by clicking on 'B' in the birdpedia. Your blog would be nominated by other members as happens now with photo's.
I haven't used flickr but know that if I did I'd probably wander off and not finish looking at ISAB ! :)
Just editing my comment- it appears you can nominate your own blog for the section you think is appropriate.

20 Apr, 2011
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robashfield said:

I'm with you on flickr john,A friend asked me to join,and never commented on anything I put on,this is why I prefer isab.As you say,I again agree that isab is also responsible for my heightened interest in wildlife & the countryside,it also promted me to buy my first entry level dslr( much to the annoyance of her indoors!! lol).
Seeing the brilliant photos other members put on gelled me into doing the same. The information & knowledge I've gained from this site is exceptional.
Mike,no offence taken,we all have opinions,great they can be discussed on here.
Alan...I'm guilty more than most of posting "continous" shots of one bird.(getting carried away" springs to mind! lol)In retrospect i think your system may be better.
I think we can all be "charged" with trying to hog the main pages!!
A little more prudence in selection may be the order of the day.

20 Apr, 2011
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Well this has had a few points of view. I must confess that like probably everyone else, I have learnt (and still learing) a lot on ID. If I am stuck, I know there is someone on here who will help me out. I can only speak for myself too, that on top of the help, it has also given me a purpose to get out there and try to capture a new library photo (we will not mention KINGFISHER) but this year !!!!!! I also like the fact that it is not only british garden birds, we can show wildlife and the more exotic birds I see at the sites I visit, and I like to look at others people have taken. I have also made some good friends and even met a few at sites. I do use flickr too, but never dream of combining them. I take many other photos other than birds and will be doing with the new macro lens I have purchased..... sorry to waffle on.......

20 Apr, 2011
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robashfield said:

No apologies needed alan...keep away from the waters edge....you never know whos about with a camera!!!!!

20 Apr, 2011
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mike said:

Well I am amazed but so pleased that my rambling has created so much discussion. there are a few things that have been mentioned that I knew nothing of so that is good too. Like Alan and John I use Flickr but it is a different ball park unless you want to add your picture into throngs of the various groups which is not my want. My pics are there for friends and family.
The blog side of ISpy I rarely used but will now as I often have too many pics of the same bird that I would like to show but do not. I feel I have a home in a blog. As foir the personal side. I have been lucky enough to exchange other than comment with a few of you and it has been immensely pleasurable. Only today I visited a site due to input from "Muddy" and just hope he approves of my "Avocet".
Thanks for chatting and discussing and finally it has made me feel that I should not feel embarrassed when I put those strange birds on view but I do have one final question. I would love to be able to recognise birds, at least by research - can anyone suggest a good site to use.
Thanks again.

20 Apr, 2011
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bonkersbon said:

Some interesting thoughts and opinions here and theres probably the rub as we are all entitled to them and as individuals try to recognise how others may wish to use the site , without wishing to dictate or prescribe .

Certainly agree Mike that it is possible to be off site for a few days and find over 100 photos have been added in that time and must admit that I try to acknowledge as many as possible , not always easy and if responses are made or questions answered as well my 10 words a minute cant keep up !

Perhaps this is a reflection of the expansion of the site and what we may all be witnessing is the impossible task of trying to acknowledge everything as it is submitted.

Those submitting large photo files run the risk of some great shots perhaps not receiving the recognition they might otherwise deserve.This in itself may prove more effective than trying to limit contributions.

Yes the use of blogs is a great way of combining a series of photos and allows one comment to cover the sequence.It of course remains up to the individual how they present them , though.

With regards Birding Days Out in Birdpedia edited by David other blogs have been submitted since the date you mention Aster but do not appear in chronological order so later blogs are further down the list .

If you submit a blog following a visit it needs to be nominated to draw attention for its inclusion under the relevant category.This is all editors are responsible for and are just individual members in all other respects.

Think its the thing I cherish most about ISAB is the sense of valuing each others contributions the democratic feel without the kind of experiences referred to on other sites.

Of course external links are useful and info here can never be exhaustive but before giving external links I try to refer to the great photos and info here first ! The A - Z is great for bird recognition.

In essence whilst acknowledging and agreeing with some concerns the answer may be that as site expands members may feel the need to become more selective in their responses.

I tried to catch up with photos and comments the other day and this took 5 hours and still think I missed some .. enjoyable but difficult when working 6 days a week at present.

Time commitments will soon make it impractical to acknowledge everything and even if photos were restricted an eventual increase in membership would still result in an increase in volume , so a means of personal relevance and interest to each individual member may be the answer for many.

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