Bird Safety

I wish owners of cats were more aware of what their pets do our Bird life….the times i have seen birds killed by cats…only the other day, i put up a new Bird stand as a special treat, for them, the next day, i went to check on it, to my horror, there were bird feathers everywhere, it was just like a Massacre, blood & gore, i almost cried…it looked like 2 Pigeons had been attacked from behind, i can assume what had happened…where the birds had been feeding the deposits must have fell to the ground, from where the Pigeons fed, unaware of what was going to happen…i blame myself for this occurence…but it may have been prevented if the owner was to put a bell on their cats collar, to give a warning to our feathered friends that danger is near..i do know Nature can be cruel, and do realise that it is a cat`s instinct to kill, but just by doing this..it does help to save our Bird life….: ~ )))

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6 Jun, 2010
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elless said:

Are you sure it's cats Freesia? When I find a load of feathers around the garden, I know the sparrowhawk has been visiting. He usually eats the lot except for feathers and beak unless he's disturbed mid feast. Cats usually take their prey home to show mum, although a large pigeon may be a bit of lump to carry.

6 Jun, 2010
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I have been seeing this tortoise shell colour cat hanging around my garden, for quite some time now, he/she is a
lovely looking cat, also very cute..it seems to know all the
places to hide, all the Nest sites...i just wonder!!!
You could be right, it may be the Sparrowhawk, as we know, they are a vicious bird, then again, its instinct, for
them to kill...cats do not always take their prey home, i
have seen them attack, and play about with their prey for
quite some time, before they kill it!! I love all animals,
but still think, that cats should have a bell on their
collar elless...

6 Jun, 2010
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donna said:

I have a cat I have never seen him try to kill a pigeon or anything of that size I have sparrow hawks in my garden and I have seen them kill pigeons. It sounds to me that might be the case in your garden.My Cat will try to kill small birds .And I will chase him round my garden untill I get the bird from him Some times I am to late but I have managed to resuce and release the odd one. Thankfully he does not get meny.I enjoy the birds and feed them all year round Also my cat does not bring anything back to me that he might off killed I think its because I tell him off.I have also seen kestrils in the garden taking small birds from the nut feeders they would come into the garden every day it must have been like a McDonalds to them .

6 Jun, 2010
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elless said:

Bells on collars would be ideal if collars were considered safe.
I once heard of a dog getting it's collar caught on a door handle and strangling itself. I think a cat collar could easily get caught on a fence or tree branch. I'm not a cat lover and since loosing our old lab I have had to do the job of cat chasing myself,but wouldn't like to think of one coming to serious harm and we do have at least half a dozen cats that visit our garden.
I'm not sure what the answer is. I suppose it helps if you place feeders in the open so the birds can see anything creeping up on them but fledglings are always going to be at risk.

6 Jun, 2010
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geecee said:

I think this is a difficult problem to combat, whether it's cats or sparrowhawks etc. I heard that bird feeders/tables should be placed near trees/hedges to stop hawks having a clear view of feeding birds and a clear route to swoop in although this obviously would make things easier for cats! It seems that nature will find a way whatever we do. I made a bird table without a roof and I think this was a mistake too as any bird on the table is so visible - back to the drawing board :)

6 Jun, 2010
Dscf1248

All my feeders are placed in my Wildlife area...qeecee, we back on to fields, so we have all large Hedges, also large Conifers, for the birds, to flee to, if there is danger around...
Please note, i do not have any problems with cats i love them to bits...its just that i am thinking, collars on cats
could prevent a lot of mindless deaths in birds...
The cats, that venture into my garden, are huge, they stalk
around like tigers, after prey...they are not at all like the
average sized cat...are cats getting bigger? As, any person
noticed this? LOL Joking apart, i have put a few gadgets
in the garden, meant to deter cats, not harm them...
but i took them out, as it used to stop the fox visiting at
night...
I have never heard of collars strangling dogs or cats, not
if they are fitted properly elless...i would hate to think of
any animal coming, to any harm. You are right, Donna
it is a bit like McDonalds for any Predator...that is why
i think we need Preventives...

6 Jun, 2010
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jane said:

We have a pair of sparrowhawks visit regularly...its so sad when they take the garden birds which we try to nurture.One day we came home to see the sparrowhawk in the middle of the lawn eating a collared dove. It flew off without the body so we disposed of it.A few minutes later it was back..giving us the evils and stamping around looking for its meal ! As Elless says...often find a pile of feathers and a beak...not a pretty sight......

6 Jun, 2010
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donna said:

My sparrow hawks seem to go for the blackbirds as well. When I was in my greenhouse one day I could hear a bird in a lot of pain Ran outside ready to chase my cat and to resuce the bird only to find a sparrow hawk tearing of a blackbirds head.I have also seen them have a go at woodpeckers not a nice sight but it is nature

6 Jun, 2010
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elless said:

I think that's it Donna. We just have to do what we can to protect wildlife without interfering with nature.
Freesia...I think your just too kind :-) We have too many pigeons around here and need predators to keep the numbers down. I wish they'd take a few magpies too. :-)

7 Jun, 2010
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Its not being too kind...Donna, its just being aware, of what is going on around us. I am not only defending Pigeons, they are not the only victims, there are nesting
birds who suffer trying to protecting their young. The
Sparrowhawk kills for food, cats do not!!! I am a strong
believer in Nature, and leave the Wildlife to do what comes naturally, i know this is the kindest attitude, i
do not wish, that any poor creature comes to harm, if it
can be prevented. The RSPB have mentioned in their
Magazine that their are quite a few Birds, now in decline,
Its not only the Sparrowhawks that kill our Birds, every
time there is a death...who do we blame the Sparrowhawk!!! I will not bore you anymore with my plea
as i know everyone thinks differently about this topic
and they deserve to have their own points of view...

7 Jun, 2010
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elless said:

It was me that said you were too kind Freesia and I didn't mean to offend you. I'm really soory if I have.
I know cats do kill birds just for fun and for that reason, I do chase them from my garden when I can but I have seen many more birds taken by the sparrowhawk than I have the local cats. I've never had a cat and wouldn't want one but just feel that if I had, I wouldn't want it to wear a collar. There are many incidents documented on the net of dogs and cats getting collars caught and them being injured or worse. Working dogs never wear collars for that reason.
Do you think that the increase in the magpie population is partly responsible for the decline of our smaller garden birds? I think they are in this part of the country.

7 Jun, 2010
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mavisc52 said:

It is the opposite here at the minute, my cats are being harrased by the magpies.They have three young ones and bring them to roost in my garden every day,every time the cats move they get shouted at ,chased , dive bombed and their tails pulled. Ollie is terrified Whiskas stays out the front and Molly( the stray I feed) needs me to chase them away.The cats are not half pleased when the Magpies take them back to the nest.......I do not like cat collars they can get caught on things.

7 Jun, 2010
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It`s fine Elless, you did not offend me, everyone has the right to say what they want. It is true, i do get very upset
when i see so much of Wildlife, in danger of decline.
Yes, you are right to defend Animals, that have come to
harm by wearing collars, if it endangers them.
It may not have been the cat, who killed, the birds in my
garden...it may have been Magpies or Sparrowhawk, who`s
to say! `Do you think us feeding the Birds goes against
Nature Elless? I often wonder, if they have come to rely
on us too much...

7 Jun, 2010
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arlene said:

I have to say that I chase cats from my garden too!.
I have done all I can to try to prevent them getting in~ high fences, mesh on my wrought gates and yet they turn up uninvited from quite a way and I have seen them trying to catch the birds and run outside and chased them.
I don't allow my dogs to roam anywhere they like so why should I have to put up with other peoples cats?
If I have to buy a water pistol and give them a cold shower to keep them out of my garden it might have to come to that~this weather they won't come to any harm unlike the birds I find dead and bleeding!
Freesiaperson If we don't look after the birds they will
decline dramatically~ as their food and habitat decline they are turning to rural gardens and you and me for survival~ if I have to provide year long food in order to strengthen them up for the increasingly hard winters the pleasure they give me far outweighs the cost.
nb My bird Table has a proper roof and in order to give the smaller birds protection and a chance to get the food I have enclosed three of the four sides with large green mesh~ they hop through it most of the time as if it wasn't there and the starlings and blackbirds get in through the sides of the roof~ mostly the hordes of Rooks who were a noisy greedy nuisance now stay well clear.

7 Jun, 2010
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elless said:

I suppose strictly speaking, we are altering the course of nature by feeding the birds but as long as it does more good than harm. What Arlene says is true. Their habitats are disappearing and they rely more on suburban gardens for their food. The smaller birds are especially vulnerable and they really need our help to survive the harder winters that we are getting now.
I don't very often have to deal with mutalated birds but it does upset me when I do so I can understand your concerns.
I wouldn't know what had your pigeons but I would guess at the sparrowhawk being the most likely. The magpie will only take eggs and young chicks, I haven't heard of them taking adult birds. Also the grey squirrel will take eggs and young birds too so they have lots of predators.
Pigeons are not in decline so I don't feel that they need our help as much as other birds. My feelings are influenced by the fact that my neighbour feeds the pigeons at 4pm every day and 30 or more line up on our roof and in our willow tree for up to 30 minutes beforehand. They make a terrible mess which as I get older find more difficult to deal with. Not their fault I know but it doesn't exactly endear me towards them.

8 Jun, 2010
Dscf1248

I would never stop feeding the Birds Arlene...in any case, once you start, they do depend on us. You are right in what you say,we have taken their Habitat away from them,
and also from most of the Wildlife.. not only that, they have all these predators to contend with, so they do need our help...otherwise in time, we will see them go into declination...we must never let that happen. `How awful
would that be?
We will never stop Cats, or other Predators, Arlene, we cannot..its nature`s way!!

8 Jun, 2010
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Elless, its not only the Pigeons i am worried about, it is all
Birds...it just so happens, that it was pigeons, i found
mutilated that morning, it could have been any bird, actually, it may have been doves & not Pigeons, being they are similar. I do sympathise, with you, in your misfortune
having a neighbour who feeds Pigeons, like they do, and
always on time..we only get a few Pigeons, seem to have
more Doves come in, where we are..
Back to your neighbour, is she on her own? It could be that
she is lonely, and may give her pleasure, by doing this!!
It must be very unpleasant for you, seeing all the mess,
they leave behind, making your garden look unsightly...
no offence meant..having to clean it up all the time.
It must put you off, pigeons for life...Elless

8 Jun, 2010
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elless said:

Lol, yes Freesia, it has put me off pigeons quite a bit but don't get me wrong, I'd never harm one. I even payed my vet £12 to put one to sleep that had flown at my patio window and had seriously injured itself. I couldn't leave it to die a slow lingering death but I was more annoyed with my neighbour for encouraging them in the first place, than worried about the loss of a pigeon. Had it been almost any other bird I would have been much more upset about it. I know some people will think that is rather mean but I just don't find them endearing and don't believe pigeons are in decline.
My neighbour does live alone but she works all day and gets home at 4pm. I don't think she's lonely as she has plenty of visitors. She will be moving house soon and is already worried about her pigeons as she knows that no-one else will feed them when she's gone. Hopefully they'll just move on to pastures new. Lol.
Just to be clear, I do love the birds and the wildlife but there are some I would not want to protect, pigeons, magpies and mink being a few that spring to mind. Even grey squirrels would not be on my list for protection although I think they're very cute.

9 Jun, 2010
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elless said:

I'd like to add to my previous comment Freesia, that I can see that you are very aware of all the issues surrounding our birds and wildlife and I in no way believe that you should feel the same as I do with regards pigeons. You are entitled to your own opinion, as we all are. Really the only problem I had with your original post was the use of cat collars, but I have no idea what the answer is to that one. Maybe discouraging cats from the garden.
When we had our lab the cats used to run through our garden from A to B but rarely got the opportunity to stop off on the way. We haven't had a dog for 9 months but the cats still don't linger long in our garden. I have taken to chasing them myself now though. I have nothing against cats but know that if I encourage birds to my garden I have to at least try to discourage the cats.

9 Jun, 2010
Dscf1248

I bet you will rejoice, the day your, neighbour moves..at least, you will feel happier, knowing you will not have to
put up with the Pigeons & mess anymore...lets hope
Elless, you, are luckier with the new neighbours!!!
Like, i said to you before, if cats come to harm wearing
collars...i am sorry, for suggesting it! I just thought most
cats in our neighbourhood do wear collars, all i was asking is that, they attach a Bell to them...this is why i felt
guilty! Elless, we encourage them to feed in our gardens
and they risk getting caught by the cats...there is no solution to this problem is there Elless?

9 Jun, 2010
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elless said:

Oh dear, I'm so sorry for making you feel guilty Freesia. I didn't think for one moment that you would consider harming the cats. You have no reason to feel guilty.
Cat collars are quite widely used and I expect there's lots of people who are unaware of the dangers. I would only be aware because of the dog collar caught on the door handle incident. So I guess if people insist on putting collars on their cats then it would help the birdies if they had bells on too.
I have mixed feelings on my neighbours move, as apart from the pigeon thing she has been a very good neighbour. She does know that I don't like the pigeons but we've never fallen out over it. Life's too short.
It will be nice if my new neighbours are as good but without her love of pigeons. Lol

10 Jun, 2010
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You sound a very nice person, to live next to, you are so sweet , about your neighbour, and her love for the Pigeons
anybody else, would have complained...
I sorry, i gave you the impression, that you, made me feel Guilty...no, Elless, i was trying to tell you & other Members
that, if i feed the birds, it attracts the cats, who then
prey on them whilst feeding...so it makes me feel guilty!!
like you said, Elless, we all attract the birds to our
gardens, so in some ways, we have to protect them...

10 Jun, 2010
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elless said:

Aaw, bless you! You see Freesia, you are too kind.

10 Jun, 2010
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Alright then Elless, i confess, maybe, i am a bit of a softie...LOL

11 Jun, 2010
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elless said:

I knew it.... LOL
If you see my last 2 blogs Freesia, you will see why I'm tempted to buy collars with bells for all the local cats. Lol. My wrens are making so much noise they are attracting the local cats. I've been very busy this evening doing my impression of a vicious dog and it looks as though I will have to be up at the crack of dawn tomorrow to keep up the good work.

12 Jun, 2010
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I thought, you would think like that in the end Elless,
deep down, you are a big softie, just like i am..
Looking at these little fledgelings, we can see how
vulnerable they can be, it must be so scary for them, this
is the reason, they need protecting so much..
I did look at your 2 Blogs & was captivated by them
wonderful, & so interesting Blogs..can you imagine, you
have helped this Mother Wren to nest and have these
wonderful babies...but what if?

12 Jun, 2010
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elless said:

Oh no, Freesia! It doesn't bear thinking about and I'm trying to keep positive. The fledglings have gone now and I have to believe that they had a safe and happy landing and are now able to fly and stay safe. :-)

12 Jun, 2010
Dscf1248

I am sure they flew away safe, after landing....`keep doing
what you are doing, Elless...you are helping, the Bird
population....: ~ )))

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